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Challenge Clean Up Complete

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Posted by Steve R on 9 October 2013 at 1:10 PM

Last month, we announced that there were changes coming to the Challenge system here on Tribesports, and now, those changes are being put into action. So, what does this mean for you and your Challenges?

Any Challenge you create will go through an approval process - in a bid to keep the capital 'C' in Challenges, there is now an approval process for new Challenges which are suggested on site. You can suggest a new Challenge from the main Challenge page:

Suggest a Challenge

All Challenges which you suggest should meet the following criteria in order to be approved on site:

  1. Challenges will be sports or nutrition based and require offline activity

  2. Challenges are a milestone and something to work towards

  3. Challenges are not set in a specific month or date (unless it is an event)

  4. Challenges have a clear criteria for completion

  5. Challenges are not your day-to-day training - this should be logged as training session or saved as a workout

Any Challenge that you have taken or completed in the past will still sit in your achievements or Challenge list. 

However, all Challenges that have been created in the past have been checked against the new Challenge creation criteria - Challenges which do not meet the criteria have been archived on site.

You will still be able to complete archived Challenges that you have taken in the past, however, these Challenges will not be available for others to 'Take'.

As with all the changes made to Tribesports, this Challenge clean-up was based on user feedback and to improve your enjoyment on site - with the new suggestion system in place, 'Newest Challenge' search results will be a diverse dose of health and fitness motivation!

Your feedback is vital to everything we work towards here at Tribesports, so let us know if we're making the right decisions. We can't please everyone - but we try to do our best!

To avoid the comments section becoming a 'did my Challenge make the cut' free-for-all, we ask that any specific Challenge questions be directed via email to team@tribesports.com - Thank you.

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    20130507190604-jedders

    will you back date it? as well as that will it be linked to the training log?

    20140811112945-cags

    Yes this has been done already "Any Challenge that you have taken or completed in the past will still sit in your achievements or Challenge list. However, all Challenges that have been created in the past have been checked against the new Challenge creation criteria - Challenges which do not meet the criteria have been archived on site."

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    20131027053507-dredwerkz

    Hey Cags? Have you guys considered adding a link in the tribes and challenges pages that bring you to a list of tribes and challenges that you yourself have created? I was trying to figure out which of the challenges that I created made the cut but couldn't figure out how to pull up a list of them...

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    20130507190604-jedders

    @crags have you done the sweep as there is the Make your own healthy lunch for a week challenge, which conflicts with "2.Challenges are a milestone and something to work towards" and in the completion criteria it has "Kick start your healthy eating habits by making your own lunch for a week. Make sure you do not use breads or pastas as these are not healthy and have minimal nutritional value for your body." which is simply not true, with all my training I need 3-4k kcals per day and I take that in many carbs which pasta and bread is really good source of carbs, I don't really understand how that is still a challenge?

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    20140811112945-cags

    @jedders - this site encourages healthy lifestyles and increased sporting activity in a variety of areas, naturally not all of the 10k Challenges will be applicable to one individual user. The article does request that individual Challenges not be brought up for debate in the comments but raised via email to team@tribesports.com. Thanks

    20130507190604-jedders

    @crags is it a big ask that the completion criteria to be correct, as all food groups should be included in lunch. I am only trying to help tribesports to provide useful/correct information, thus aiding more people to have a healthy lifestyle, if you would like to answer my question please email (ejamesrogers@live.co.uk) me at your convenience.

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    20130507190604-jedders

    @crags its good that you got rid of so many I was asking about the ones that are still in. it dose happen to be one of your top six on rotation

    20130502134219-dwightw

    I was looking forward to seeing how this was all going to come about but now that it is here I have a distinct feeling that a broadsword and a battle-axe were used when a pen-knife was needed. Looking at what is left in October I think it can be summed up as: Don't drink, don't eat chocolate, and run some very select organized events (even a few from 2012). I for one am disheartened that so many of the actual exercise challenges that kept me motivated from month to month are now gone. Milestone challenges were great and I hadn't imagined they would not make the cut. http://tribesports.com/topics/is-it-just-me-or-did-all-the-monthly-and-then-some

    20130502134219-dwightw

    Just for the heck of it I checked out the last page: http://tribesports.com/challenges?page=531 Things I noticed: Not a single taker on any, self/personal challenges that even the creator didn't take, a round of archery in specific locals - really? I realize this is a work in progress but seeing an entire page of this when so many legitimate exercise and milestone challenges that had universal potential removed leaves me scratching my head a bit.

    20160222080259-alex45674

    I would imagine that the removal of the October ones is because they are date specific. Just had a look and things like 5000 squats in a month! are still there - not date specific. I agree with you the month challenges are certainly challenges, but you could certainly take (or create if need be) challenges to achieve the same thing, and any of us can take them anytime, without having to wait until October next year. I am glad to see the massive clean up that has gone on and really pleased all that duplicate stuff has disappeared!

    20130414103523-shropshire

    Hi @dwightw, it's funny how folks see the same things differently (and that's great in its self - variety is the spice of life). I see the clean out as a good thing, to remove a lot of detritus that has built up over the years and sort of 'reboots' the challenge system. There is nothing to stop you Creating (Suggesting in the new parlance) new challenges that meet the rules and thus build and enhance the library of Great Challenges (some don't suit me but they may suit you and other folk). The great thing about this site is that it is adaptive and flexible and it's up to all of us to assist the TS Admin Team (Da Management) in it's growth.

    20170213154642-nocturnal

    I am kind of with Dwight on this. Missed the monthly and milestone challenges that keep me motivated to achieve the bigger goals. Instead, I felt that using expiry date on challenges would be a better way to remove the clutter - ie it will not allow new takers after the expiry date. And it will also automatically be moved to the archive after the expiry date (or x days after the expiry date). I just did a search using the keyword 'October' and a lot of the challenges that I took are no longer listed (sad). However, I still see a number of challenges(events) that have specific year 2011 and 2012 in them - which obviously should be archived if clutter is what we want to reduce.

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    20130502134219-dwightw

    I am curious to see what November brings us, hoping for some exciting stuff in the way of challenges but only time will tell. One thing is for sure I will finally have time to start knocking out some of those challenges that have been in my active list for a while :) Hoping that some of the items I suggested are at least given consideration but if not then it is what it is. Still love the site, still love seeing so many people get engaged and expect to continue seeing good things here.

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    20130402084156-o4life

    I feel like I need to my 5 cents worth as well. Initial thoughts were great, good job, well done. There was a lot of stupid stuff on here as challenges. Then I looked at the new rules and the challenges that were left. A healthy percentage fail to meet the new rules but haven't been archived. Some that do appear to meet the new rules have been archived. Things get missed it's true, but it is a lot! I personally like the "Run 100 km in October 2013" challenges. I use them to help work my way to the final goal. They provide motivation for me, that's gone now. I don't want to keep taking "run 100 km in a month" just because it's the only option left - it's like going to the gym, sooner or later I'll stop. The site has gone from one extreme to the other - gone completely past the middle ground. Why can't we have date specific? Surely an algorithm could be written that archives challenges once they reach there end date?

    20130929134736-ritcheysmith

    I'm sure there is no way you can please everyone, that would be a miracle in and of itself =) But don't forget about the people who are newbies to any form of activities or sports, that's why the one-off challenges are still good for morale. It's what had first inspired me to join TS and become more active. I'm back after a long while of not training at all, because of illness and injury. The little one-offs where a nice morale booster for me to work my way towards bigger goals. Having achievable mini goals, leads to achieving the bigger goals. So in my humble opinion, I think it was a mistake to get rid of "valid" one-off challenges.

    20140811112945-cags

    There are still Challenges which are suited to all abilities of fitness and we welcome suggestions if you feel we're missing any.

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    20130929134736-ritcheysmith

    I'm still trying to see all of the changes since I've been away. I'm sad to see all of my challenges archived, since I put a great deal of effort in making the challenges. Even though they were one-offs, they were relevant.

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    20140811112945-cags

    Many Challenges which were relevant before Workouts were introduced have been archived because the training sessions and workout functionality is better suited for one-off training Challenges - any Challenge you have taken in the past can still be completed, I'm sorry if you're unhappy with the changes but we have tried our best to be consistent across the clean up so there is as little confusion as possible. Thanks for your feedback Angelica, nice to have you back on Tribesports!

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    20130929134736-ritcheysmith

    Thanks Cags. I'm still trying to figure out the "workouts" logging, since I wasn't able to add the exercises for my workouts. Either because I don't know the proper name for the exercise or the option does not show up. Not sure if I'm missing something with that, but I'm sure I'll figure it out soon enough. I just want to make sure that TS doesn't forget about all of us who are not the "wonder sportsman" and are simply trying to live a more active life.

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    20130914084906-annet1

    I am genuinely feeling sad that my favourite type of challenges have been archived.....loved the 4000 push ups, 10000 lunges etc.....loved the challenge of seeing the totals add up! Not sure what the challenges hold for me now....looked through some of the pages and couldn't really find anything much.....a few a day isn't a challenge for me. I never do the same workout twice and don't really agree with exercising every day(learnt lessons in past...bodies need rest to recover and for muscles to grow). :(

    20130507190604-jedders

    @cags I have another concern over what you have done, what stops me creating some of the old challenges again, like 5 pushups on Tuesday challenge?

    20130414103523-shropshire

    Hi James, I guess the answer to that is that we no longer Create Challenges, we Submit them for consideration.

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    20130929134736-ritcheysmith

    @annet1 I totally agree with you and especially about all he challenges that say "workout every day for a month" or do "50 squats a day for a week", your body has to rest in order to achieve any real benefits of any of these exercises, so it seems to be a moot point to have these as challenges since they are actually defeating the purpose of improving fitness.

    20140811112945-cags

    There are still challenges such as do x number of an exercise in a month available on site and your totals can be found in your training data - milestone numbers can be celebrated but the issue we were faced with is that people created challenges which weren't milestones, they were just increasing by tiny increments, leaving the newest challenges page to be "do 67 push ups on a Wednesday", "do 68 push ups on a Wednesday", "do 69 push ups on a Wednesday" - I would continue (as the old challenge list did) but feel my point has been made - please give these changes a chance and suggest any challenges you want to be added to the site through the challenge suggestion process . Thank you

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    20130414103523-shropshire

    Early days, there's bound to be some teething troubles Brenda

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    20130402084156-o4life

    I agree that the daily challenges that you talk about Cags were meaningless in the scheme of things. I set targets to complete a month, so I take "do a thousand squats in Oct. 2013". Now I can only take "do a thousand squats in a month.". The training section I don't use because I don't like it as a feature and as a training programme tool useless (for me) & apart from entering whatever I do I don't really look at it. You have taken the changes a step too far in this instance I'm sad to say. I feel a lot of people will be lost to TS with these extreme changes.

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    20130414103523-shropshire

    I sort of see what you mean Allan - but in the past 'some' folks have created do 100, 120, 150 , .........squats in oct 13 ... Then exactly the same for push-ups, curls etc.. and THEN exactly the same again for November and every other month [much craziness]. Would it not be better to say something like "Set Your Own Target for exercise XYZ". - wow hundreds of old challenges become ONE. So, if you could set this Target on an Exercise by Exercise and Month by Month basis in the Workout Section, then ZERO challenges would be created and yet we would be able to Challenge ourselves to meet specific targets AND see how we improve over time.

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    20161115170025-loretta

    Haven't been on TS for 3 day, checked new challenges and am saddened to see that there are only 4 new ones, 2 of them for running (am not a runner). This is no longer interesting and I am angry and frustrated. Where are all the meaningful, challenging, new and interesting challenges people have been asking for? Why are you guy who have been complaining about the previous system not put anything up? It is not good enough to critisize and tear down a system, now you need to do something about you and the onus should be on you!

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    20130402084156-o4life

    I kinda see your point to Tony. But, if challenges archived automatically there would only be one month at a time available. It also pre-supposes that I follow a consistent workout plan, which I don't which is why I find the training section pointless for me. To me, the training page has been set-up for serious athletes, I'm not. I'm a competitive bastard but not serious. So sorry, not convinced yet.

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    20130408205538-tearohac

    I'm not adverse to change, however I am disappointed that the progressive and monthly references have been archived ;( As with others, the challenge for me was to aim for a target, achieve that, push myself to achieve the next target by choosing a higher rep, then try and better myself the following month. While I appreciate that some spring cleaning was required, I fear you may have chucked the baby out with the bath water. I also question the extra work load you have now created for yourselves in having to screen and approve each challenge. Here's hoping you techs don't become couch potatoes, and neither do we.

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    20150418191721-eamonnm

    Hi Te Aroha - I'd suggest that "in a calendar month/year" whatever should still be appropriate.

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    20140806163630-brendad

    @cags and @steve. I really do appreciate the challenges clean up!!! It was gone overboard .But I do think ye have gone too strict. There are so many sporty challenges archived that are brilliant. Wonder could ye reevaluate?

    20170213154642-nocturnal

    The tibesters have spoken. And I would like to add my voice to it as well. (1) do x min or run y miles in a month is not challenging enough for us. As after we have done that, what do we do next month? Repeat the same challenge again? Move on to the next level? But there is a physical limitation to how far we can go. And for some like me, I'm unwilling to push myself beyond my capability and risk injury.

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    20170213154642-nocturnal

    (2) I will miss those challenges that says "log x counts/minutes in October 2013". There may be several, e.g. log 500, log 1000, log 1500. And I think it is ok. For beginners, 500 is all they can do. For the stronger ones. log 500 is their intermediate milestone towards their goal of 2000. It caters to different audience in our community. And I see nothing wrong with these challenges for different activity, e.g. cardios like running, cycling, walking, rowing; And staitcs like pushups, bench dips, planks, squats, etc.

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    20170213154642-nocturnal

    (3) And may I repeat again. For such challenges, put in an expiry date that auto-archive it after the month is over. So in October, we can see all the October 2013 challenges. But after 31-Oct, they get expired and archived, so that we won't see them again nor can anyone take them. And then we see a fresh set for November 2013.

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    20170213154642-nocturnal

    (4) For that matter, why not the tribesports gods, create these sets of challenges automatically for each month. Just by checking out the old challenges and based on takers and completion time, you can gauge what is meaningful. E.g. for run, a challenge every 5km or 10km is too small a quantum. But a 30km or 50km quantum will have alot of takers. And above 300km will be for a few diehards only.

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    20170213154642-nocturnal

    (4+) Alternatively, get inputs from the regular takes of these monthly challenges. Those that take those specific challenges. They will be your best consultants.

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    20170213154642-nocturnal

    And my last words here. Every month I look forward to a set of challenges. If these ceases, my motivation to log into tribesports will start to wane. And I may just drop out and track my own activity in some other apps. I'm not the 1st to say this, as I can see similar comments. Hope the tribesports crew (who have been doing such a great work) will take the voices of the community seriously and not let this be the iceberg that sinks Titanic.

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    20131027053507-dredwerkz

    I disagree there and am glad that all those challenges based on months are gone. They just become redundant as they are repeated month after month and just end up clogging up the list. The slight variations to each challenge (such as run 10km, run 12km, run 14km - ad infinitum) makes it a lot worse. The same goes for those progressive exercises (such as log 4000 push ups, log 4200 push ups, log 4400 push ups - ad infinitum).. it just seems that all the creativity has dried up.

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    20130913174115-giorgioc

    I believe that workouts could be a better answer to our need of being fit and challenging ourselves, and it would a great idea by adding how long it would take to complete, apart from identifying what's the focus of the particular workout.

    Cags R and Tony G encouraged this.

    20161115170025-loretta

    Guys, while looking for running challenges, I noticed that there are still plenty of challenges with a definite date in the past that can still be taken. Maybe you could have a look at those :)

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    20161115170025-loretta

    Ramon, there a too many. I just typed "running" into the search and looked thought he first 3-4 pages and found lots. There are more that 170 pages for running challenges and by the looks of it, they were not included in the clean up

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    20130402084156-o4life

    Ramon, what do you mean "should have been created as events"???

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    20131027053507-dredwerkz

    When you create (or rather suggest) a challenge, you will find an option that says 'Adding organized event'.. this instead counts down to the date specified which means one can't take it beyond that date. Events look like this : Reebok One Challenge

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